The Vice (or, The Vise, if you live anywhere to the west of Ireland)

by Dr. Andrew N. Herd via A FlyFishing History

“Amazing though it may seem, the first mention of the vice was by Taylor in 1800. Prior to that it is simply not mentioned. This may seem strange, but there are good reasons why it should be so – very early tyers whipped their hooks directly onto the end of their line, which would have made it difficult for them to use a vice even if it had been invented in those days.”

halfvice

“Adopting the vice meant learning an entirely different way of tying flies, and while patterns were relatively simple, there wasn’t much reason to go to all the trouble of learning new tricks. Besides, a hand tyer could sit down and make flies anywhere, provided there is a patch of sun and a glass of beer to hand, while the vice shackled him to the bench. The ability to tie a new pattern by the waterside is one of the great advantages that we have sacrificed in the name of progress.”

quite interesting  how the tying vise came to be as the direct result of the invention and common use of eyed hooks. amusing as well is how little the basic design of what has become the most basic fly tying tool has changed over time.
as for the Vice vs Vise part i’ve done some sterile research but i’ve passed on the question to some historically-linguistically-minded friends and will update later if they ever make up their minds. my guess is it’s yet another savage North American deviation of the English language… :P

click the pic for lots more Vice-Vise history. enjoy !

7 comments on “The Vice (or, The Vise, if you live anywhere to the west of Ireland)

  1. [...] are staples on every fly tier’s desk now. However, that has not always been the case, as Marc Fauvet points out, with history further explained by Dr. Andrew N. [...]

  2. Mick Hall says:

    Do you know why they place this vice on the corner of the bench you may have to do a little research to find out the answer.

    Cheers Mick

    • Marc Fauvet says:

      cause they liked straddling the table leg ? :lol:

      hey Mick ! super-glad to see you here !
      ok, a more serious guess: since there where no bobbin holders at the time maybe the extra space on both siders of the tier left for more room to deal with the lengths of tying silk without it getting caught on the table where materials and at least a few tools are kept ?
      cheers,
      marc

    • Mick Hall says:

      Hi Marc You may like to post this 1898 H G McClelland How to tie flies for trout Cheers Mick This pic shows the first bobbin holder Cheers MIck

      On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:44 PM, the limp cobra wrote:

      > Mick Hall commented: “Do you know why they place this vice on the > corner of the bench you may have to do a little research to find out the > answer. Cheers Mick”

  3. Mick Hall says:

    The first picture of what could be described a bobbin holder was published in 1898 by McClennand. You are close; in those days they used hackle pliers to hold the loose threads and having the vice on the corner allowed them to hang free.
    Let’s see if they come back with this on our Timeline.

  4. Magnus says:

    Late entering the conversation – reading Andrew’s point about whipping hooks to gut…weeeel kinda… we’d have to do some material history and find out when (salmon) tyers started tying gut loops at the head of their flies, and when eyed trout hooks became available. For example the flies on this plate http://www.flyfishinghistory.com/images/hawkins_plate_1.jpg dated 1760, have gut eyes tied to the blind hook. Or at least that is what I see, Andrew sees that as an eyed hook. he also has some odd things to say about blind hooks, “Incredibly, blind hooks were still being manufactured in the 1930s.” ….which is just plain odd. Blind hooks are still made today and eyeless, spade end hooks, are still common in coarse fishing and I can find a few still being snelled in sea fishing.

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